Thursday, December 07, 2006

An interesting conversation....imo.....

....remember that beginnings and endings are realities only within your own system of three-dimensional life. The energy of your being exists outside of your system, however, and impinges upon it in your terms, becoming "alive" physically at certain points of time and space. Your own greater energy dips in and out of the space-time continuum as you understand it. As it does, its experience becomes physical. Within that system then it leaves a life-trace. When you think in terms of reincarnation it seems that one tracing exists before the other, but the entire "chart" exists at once, with all the individual life-tracings. Since these offshoots or life-tracings each come from your entity, they are connected psychologically and in terms of electromagnetic energy patterns. Consider this analogy: Taking it for granted that you are indeed multidimensional, you can perceive only so much of your own experience at a time because of the characteristics of physical creaturehood; the three-dimensional system automatically specializes in before-and-after effects. - Seth, via Jane Roberts, The Nature of Personal Reality Posted by: Beatrice Baudelaire at December 6, 2006 10:39 PM * Posted by: Beatrice Baudelaire at December 6, 2006 10:39 PM So what you're saying is that there are no true "outcomes" because there is no true finality? Posted by: Nobody at December 6, 2006 10:47 PM * Posted by: Nobody at December 6, 2006 10:47 PM I didn't say any of that, they said it. Posted by: Beatrice Baudelaire at December 6, 2006 10:50 PM * I didn't say any of that, they said it. Posted by: Beatrice Baudelaire at December 6, 2006 10:50 PM You posted it for what reason? What were you attempting to convey? Posted by: Nobody at December 6, 2006 10:51 PM * YOUR CHALICE Visualize a chalice—a ceremonial drinking cup. What's the first image that comes up for you? Picture it in your mind's eye. Is it silver? Ceramic? Plastic? What color? How big is it? Is it long-stemmed or squat? Does it have a wide, shallow cup or a tall, narrow one, or what? Close your eyes and spend a moment with this vision before reading on. Posted by: Beatrice Baudelaire at December 6, 2006 10:41 PM So you've pictured a chalice in your mind's eye. Here's an analysis of its possible meaning: What you envisioned represents your capacity to be filled up with goodies. It's a snapshot of your subconscious receptivity to favors and help and inspiration. For instance, if you imagined a shallow plastic champagne glass, it signifies that you may not be well prepared to drink deeply of the elixirs the universe is conspiring to provide you. On the other hand, a large-volume, gracefully shaped sterling silver cup suggests that you're ready and willing to receive a steady outpouring of wonders. A long-stemmed chalice may indicate you're inclined to be aggressive about filling your cup. A short, squat stem could mean you're not feeling very deserving of having your cup filled. Posted by: Beatrice Baudelaire at December 6, 2006 10:54 PM * You posted it for what reason? What were you attempting to convey? Posted by: Nobody at December 6, 2006 10:51 PM To convey what they said. Posted by: Beatrice Baudelaire at December 6, 2006 10:55 PM * Well what they said is that there are no true outcomes because there can be no true finality. Posted by: Nobody at December 6, 2006 10:56 PM * Now here's the fun part. If you visualized an inadequate chalice, you can change it. If you pictured a chalice you like, you can add more details to it. Take some time to picture a vessel that's perfectly worth of you. Imprint it on your imagination. Then, for the next nine days, conjure it up every morning for five minutes right after you wake up, and every evening for five minutes before you go to sleep. It will reprogram your subconscious mind to be ready and willing to accept all the favors and help and inspiration you need. That in turn will exert an influence on your surroundings, making it easier for the world to deliver its favors and help and inspiration. from: Rob Brezsny's Astrology Newsletter Posted by: Beatrice Baudelaire at December 6, 2006 11:05 PM * But I guess I should risk your ire one more time and point out that this is a rehashed and repackaged mash of prior and previous philosophical thought that's been over wrought with magical catch phrases to entice other's into spending money and doing great disservice to the original thought... I do not suffer plaguarists lightly...This is not original thinking. This is robbery. Posted by: Nobody at December 6, 2006 11:06 PM * A big danger signal is when you're asked to blindly accept what would come next...To have faith...Let your destiny rest in the hands of another force...To follow rather than lead... Those are things used by those that would have followers...and those are not the kind of people that should be followed. Posted by: Nobody at December 6, 2006 11:10 PM * Now here's the fun part. If you visualized an inadequate chalice, you can change it. If you pictured a chalice you like, you can add more details to it. ========================================================================= The more you look for from life.. The more you will find.. The beauty of this kind of thinking is that it allow you to fullfill you desires as well as your needs.. I am into desires..! Posted by: War (Blue) Dog at December 6, 2006 11:12 PM * At no point do you nor should you give over your own will to be connected to the universe...You're soaking in it. Posted by: Nobody at December 6, 2006 11:13 PM * I don't mind what you think about it now..I have no ire for you..none...I read what you write..& if I feel compelled I will further discuss things at that time... Posted by: Beatrice Baudelaire at December 6, 2006 11:14 PM * About whom are you thinking..? Posted by: War (Blue) Dog at December 6, 2006 11:14 PM He asked again... .. I think that life offers unlimited grown and opportunity.. It is all up to the individual... It is how I live.. Posted by: War (Blue) Dog at December 6, 2006 11:21 PM * I wish toni could learn more about the Chalice.. Toni is a good person.. But she is not open to bounty.. You can see how the news she posts wears on her.. You can be closed down and experience the world that is right in front of you.. Posted by: War (Blue) Dog at December 6, 2006 11:25 PM * Aren't you afraid of terrorists...? I'm not.... But aren't you? Isn't that why you think it's ok to kill civilians..right? Posted by: Beatrice Baudelaire at December 6, 2006 11:44 PM ==================================================================== You would see this a fine point.. But terrorist are civilians.. You could be in the military and use terror.. But all the terrorists I talk about are Civilian.. So there are guilty Civilians.. And there are innocent Civilians.. One does not fear terrorist attacks.. You must prevent them for the citizen of you country.. Few people knew the 3000 in the twin towers.. You must still protect them.. Posted by: War (Blue) Dog at December 6, 2006 11:52 PM * Posted by: War (Blue) Dog at December 6, 2006 11:52 PM If you're trying to prevent them, doesn't that indicate that you're afraid of them? Although, is that true even when speaking of tooth cavities? I don't know. & I'm not so sure that terrorists are civilians. They can be I suppose...But they aren't all.. But yeah technically.. In fact, wtf is a terrorist anyway. I & some, would call the US Government, terrorist...if terrorist means killing people.....So wouldn't everyone who has every killed be a terrorist..? How could you or anyone fall for such a lame term like terrorist? Or believe that we are getting rid of terrorists, as a goal & justification for killing, when there is still crime here? That's just silly...(in your terms)... :) Posted by: Beatrice Baudelaire at December 7, 2006 12:00 AM * How could you or anyone fall for such a lame term like terrorist? Or believe that we are getting rid of terrorists, as a goal & justification for killing, when there is still crime here? That's just silly...(in your terms)... :) Posted by: Beatrice Baudelaire at December 7, 2006 12:00 AM =================================================================== I look at is a person out of any countries uniform who attacks not military targets but random targets... 1. Belongs to no countries military.. 2. Does not target military objectives. Posted by: War (Blue) Dog at December 7, 2006 12:06 AM * Posted by: War (Blue) Dog at December 7, 2006 12:06 AM No wonder I don't get it...I don't believe in borders..I don't see why they seem to be so to others...I have to pretend I see em..so I can follow South America & Central American politics & people...but not really... http://deletetheborder.org Posted by: Beatrice Baudelaire at December 7, 2006 12:11 AM * ter·ror·ism /ˈtɛrəˌrɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ter-uh-riz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes. 2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization. 3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government. Posted by: Nobody at December 7, 2006 12:11 AM * Based on what I've read, the "universe" doesn't judge if you are "good" or "bad"...if you, like War Dog, believe in "the abundance thing"...you just might get the abundance. Posted by: Beatrice Baudelaire at December 7, 2006 12:22 AM * The principle is "indeterminance" and the universe doesn't decide the fate of good and bad but bad and good determine the fate of the universe. Posted by: Nobody at December 7, 2006 12:25 AM * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=indeterminance&go=Go http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/indeterminance http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=indeterminance&btnG=Google+Search http://cfpm.org/~majordom/memetics/old/2767.html ... The problem with statistics is that it imposes these patterns rather than necessarily detecting them. If you exclude indeterminance or equivalence then you get a normal distribution curve. Thus behind all of these apparently different concepts is ONE method -- dichotomous analysis. * http://www.abo.fi/~rfuller/pgs97.pdf Property 2.2 Total indeterminance: if x is A then y is B x is ¬A y is unknown if pres. is big then volume is small pres. is not big volume is unknown * http://www.goertzel.org/dynapsyc/1995/TGERMINE.html But the characteristics of such a quantum realm indeterminance, non- locality, atemporality, universal interconnectedness are so fundamentally at odds with the attributes of the macroscopic world, that the ontological approach seemingly must engender yet another breach in the fabric of a unified reality this time in the selection of the appropriate dividing line between the quantum and classical domains. With his characteristic directness, Bohr had severed this Gordian knot by arbitrarily assuming, in the aggregate, a statistical convergence of quantum phenomena on purely classical behavior the so- called Correspondence Limit . Given this assumption, a macro- scale measuring apparatus may be viewed as purely classical, and the cut between the quantum and classical realms can be convenientiy located at the boundary between the experimental equipment and the subatomic particle. Unfortunately, the mathematical formulation of quantum mechanics, as developed by John von Neumann in the early 1930’s, failed to support the supposed existence of a bright line dividing the well- defined attributes of the measuring instrument from the indeterminate potentialities inherent in the Schrödinger wave function. Instead, von Neumann’s mathematical rendering of the universe completely jettisoned the twin Cartesian pillars of classical physics replacing four- dimensional Space/Time with infinitely- dimensioned Hilbert Space , and emphatically rejecting the paradigm of a divided reality.. Hence, the von Neumann formulation demands that all physical processes be described in terms of an infinite array of potentialities, inherently incapable of actualizing without the intercession of a non- physical entity associated with the measurement process an entity which von Neumann was logically compelled to identify with consciousness. Thus, we have the sublime irony of a rigorous mathematical elaboration of a purely materialistic model of the universe yielding a radically idealistic paradigm: Consciousness creates Reality! * Consciousness creates Reality! Posted by: Beatrice B. at December 7, 2006 1:14 AM -------- Sooo...if I'm unconscious -- war dog goes away???? Posted by: DemonDuck at December 7, 2006 2:08 AM * Carlos Castenada said there's an immeasurable, indescribable force which shamans called "intent" and absolutely everything that exists in the entire cosmos is connected to it. You can call it spirit or soul or consciousness or universal mind or source. It is the invisible force that intends everything into the universe. It's everywhere. This source is always creating, it is kind, it is loving, it is peaceful. It is non-judgmental, and it excludes no one. In the Old Testament it says, "In the beginning God created heaven and earth and everything that God created was good." That leaves nothing out. So good and God are what it means to be connected to our source. If you go to the Gnostic Gospels -- you know, the gospels that Constantine in the fourth century decided shouldn't be in the New Testament -- if you study the Gospel of Mary Magdalene and the Gospel of St. Thomas, they don't refer to God as God, they refer to God as the "The Good." Whenever we are in harmony with that source from which we all emanated, which everything came from, we have the powers of the source. And when we let go of our connection and rusty up the link between ourselves and this connection, dirty it up by living at the lower levels of consciousness, then we create things like illness and poverty and sadness and fear and hatred. We have to take a look at every single thought that we have and ask ourselves, "Is it in harmony with source or isn't it?" Any thought that isn't loving, any thought that is filled with hatred, is a thought that is inconsistent with, not in rapport with source. Posted by: I prefer syrup at December 7, 2006 3:47 AM * Naw...Too narrow...Too finite...Too claustrophobic...Too much placing of spiritual worth on a particualr set of behavior... An infinite universe and therefore an infinite god by nature includes all things both good and evil...The source then becomes not one side or the other but the undecided...the swayable... When all things are possible to you how do you decide which it is to be?...When you are above the effects of either good or evil how do you choose?...and then what is good in one moment might be evil in another...Perhaps this would be the "intent"?...To be the tie breaker... Life is a funny thing...Too much of any one kind and life ceases...Life must constantly be driven to variation...Constantly driven to try all possibilities...Why? Too much light and you will die just as fast as too much dark...In the gray space is there balance...To be the judge the purpose...And in this you find the source... It's a responsibility that the mind shys away from...A burden...Easier to have your fate written and be absolved of any blame... Imagine a chessboard where the pieces choose their sides and not all of them even know there is a game about...All the other pieces around them try to influence the others for numerical advantage...Now imagine that these pieces may be aware of the game but are still unaware of the rules... Posted by: Nobody at December 7, 2006 4:15 AM They make guesses as to what the rules are and then describe the personalities of the players...and this is how gods are born... But what of the few that have figured out the rules? Awww for them it's a lot more complicated...They could throw the game to either side and they know that their existance is prerequisite of the game going on so they prolong it...keeping it forever in balance and undecided... This makes no friends of either side of the game... A similiar mythology was drawn upon by Tolkien...When the magician finally judges he is no longer gray but a paragon of the light...and the other judges and becomes a paragon of the dark... And one game ended and another game began and the pieces retired to keep score... Posted by: Nobody at December 7, 2006 4:30 AM * http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/12/06/MNGQFMQAMH1.DTL Dems warn Bush on Iraq funding New majority in Congress will seek to influence policy on conduct of war Posted by: Bob at December 7, 2006 8:31 AM * intention begets will Posted by: 13ben at December 7, 2006 8:32 AM * Posted by: 13ben at December 7, 2006 8:31 AM I think the "War on Terror" is just a cover for the Policy of Regime Change and Pre-Emptive War. Posted by: Bob at December 7, 2006 8:37 AM The "War on Terror" is just a phrase to gain Public support and unite us against a perceived common enemy. Hence they don't give a shit about making our Country safe. And the Dept. of Homeland Security is designed to take away our rights and extend the reach and scope of law enforcement. Not to keep us safer. Posted by: Bob at December 7, 2006 8:40 AM * Hiya, Bob --- I wonder about how ingrained it becomes. Perspective is such an important thought to me. Being able to appreciate some one else's, even if you can't quite see it. Without it, can we even see how arrogant we appear? Hell, not appear, are? (verb choices?) I consider myself pretty open minded, as I imagine most people do. What is the beam in my own eye (yes, I'm using xian imagery, keeping an eye out for a stray lightning bolt) that keeps me from seeing something from another perspective? What are the beams? What are everyone else's? Random musings, I guess Posted by: The Bastard Socialist Dane at December 7, 2006 8:41 AM * maybe bunnypants will nominate Jimmy Carter for our United Nations Ambassador.... then a swift confirmation and the world takes a collective, but brief, sigh as we once again avert total disaster..... and begin to work on the preventing the next.... Posted by: 13ben at December 7, 2006 8:41 AM * Posted by: The Bastard Socialist Dane at December 7, 2006 8:41 AM I realize that. I try to see things from the different perspectives. But, when one thing is said, and another is blatently done, intentionally, well........ you get my point. Posted by: Bob at December 7, 2006 8:43 AM * Posted by: Bob at December 7, 2006 8:37 AM dialog..... understanding.... communication.... these are the tools that have to be used if we want to survive the near future.... not missiles.... hate.... force..... those who will only try the latter, will sadly prolong the strife of Earth..... ~~~~~~~~~~~~ on the 20th day of the 2nd Moon, year of the Solar Seed (9/11/01), there were the people who cried "WHO?"..... and there were the people who cried "WHY?"..... Posted by: 13ben at December 7, 2006 8:50 AM

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